Where to host the USAAC

This topic is to address where the USAAC will be hosted. Not how the site looks or works .. simply where it is hosted.

This topic also contains some areas where YOU.. the BoD have failed, but related to website issue in general

I'll start out by making some comments and observations then ... let the BoD take this where they want to as far as the total discussion. I play a role here of putting forth the questions and some of the answers to get the brain juices flowing, then as I said.. let the BoD and members take this topic wherever they want to ... No agenda here .. just address 'where to host'. I think you will find there is a lot .. a lot to discuss on the mechanics of same.

From this point on things that *I* , Tbar, says .. are not my words in the sense that I'm just putting out things to be considered. *I*, as Tbar am not dictating, just presenting. Truth, Fact .. and how it will be is up to the BoD.. always has been.

You = BoD.. past and present members including the Director and some "managers"We = BoD ..All of us as BoD members.. past and present including some 'managers'

When the BoD and this current site were set up .. we used all we could that would be NO COST so that the USAAC could be off and running without the need for 'money' and all the complications that it brings. The objective was not where to get money .. but get the USAAC started and working. Money is evil, money is power .. all the things we needed to avoid at the onset .. but should not be totally ignored at this point either..

First off "costs' is not a big deal .. the BoD has deep pockets and can get funds. But Funding in itself is a serious topic the BoD thus far has never had to address. You want "independence" than think it all thru carefully. Agreements and Handshakes can be funny things and are not something you can take lightly. Money, donation, accountability .. take time and a lot of work.

1) How will you collect funds and who pays the bill?

You will now have to have a 'treasurer' .. and that person cannot have a 'vote' on the BoD, it can't be anyone that is an elected voice. Why? Its called stacking the deck and "power". Oh, but we trust that person. So be it .. but you don't have 'independence' then do you? This topic of collecting money and 'treasurer' could be a topic unto itself.

You can find a totally 'free' site. Ok.. but then once again.. your not in total control nor do you have true 'independence'.

OK.. now at a risk.. let me pull some comments from other threads and just post them here .. make some replies and then let the show begin (nice show I hope).

First Off so there is no offense to anyone:

You = just people , not any one individual

We = USAAC BoD

I have a friend .. who is a DP manager .. and he said ..

Ok, once again ..do you have control and are your truly independent? Maybe.. You have or will have a new Web Master soon .. trust his input or toss him out

In the 'other thread Pop said":

Firestorm can host it no charge on a server he has.

What is the difference? What make these USAAC independent by that move?

Do any of you know what you are talking about?

Good Question.

When you pick another "host" you do this so you can be "totally independent".. So address the REAL question .. independent of "what"?

Here are some soul searching questions/answers. You may not agree .. but give it some thought.

FACT:

There is NO AA Community Site that is "Totally Independent" .. none... in the sense that you project the 'need'. Do some fact finding yourself.

FACT:

USAAC is totally independent.. they can do what ever they want... more so than GE or UK/ And always could. Do some research yourself.. you will find many answers rigth there in the USAAC forums!

You make out like you don't have control .. like you don't have a say so .. like you have to accept any dictate that is pushed in your face. Yet you can't think of .. or place as an example, nothing like that .. not one example.

You make statement and innuendo .. but never put forth one single thing that has caused you a problem that YOU were not in control of. You have this propensity to 'blame' others rather than the real source of the problem which is YOU.

You whine that you need independence.. like you can't do what you really need too. Name one thing.. just one.

You make like your part of a huge conspiracy that has an evil money making agenda. Well Mr Intelligent .. name one.

You make statements similar to: Well we should move the site because some people don't feel comfortable.

Are you then going to move the site every month because "some don't feel comfortable"?

Will you move the site each month to change the color?

Will you move the site each month because there is a new member on the BoD who can get us a 'better deal'.

Will you move the site every month because you trust Mr x more than Mr y?

Get real.. get a grip on things gents. Talk to people who know their business.

You make out like there is a great 'evil' and secret dirty deals going on. Point them out so they can be corrected.

FACT

The BoD has never once .. ever .. asked Townet folks to do anything .. that TowNet did not do for them.

FACT

Political Ads. No one ever noticed or pointed out they were "political". Tbar takes responsibility for that error in that he was simply looking for something funny to display that did not take day to day maintenance .. its syndicated ..and dynamically displayed. It was intended to fill a gap in the front page. Sorry, Tbar never saw it as political because he never really read them. As far as the 'black guy and white girl thing.. never really noticed as its a cartoon.

The BoD never asked for that cartoon to be taken down .. never. The BoD never asked the USAAC webmaster to take it down or change it .. not once. If they had .. no big deal. Now its some kind of "major issue" like its being 'jammed' down someone throat and forced upon them. This is a BOD failure .. no one else's. If its a problem.. address it.. issue orders to the Web Master to 'remove and replace'. While your at it .. you might suggest a replacement and save the Web Master some valuable time.

FACT

The BOD approved the Google Ads.

The BoD never asked for them to be removed at any time either.

The Google Ads are 'content' generated. It is not the fault of the BoD or ToW if Google fracks up now and then. No one I know is smarter than the folks at Google .. errors are just made from time to time.

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Will the new site be moved to it's own server and will the forums be moved also?
If not then whats the point ??

The new site looks almost identical to this one.

I would answer this post as follows: The site is not identical in any way .. but do you like the layout. Moving the site has nothing to do with improving the site look, feel and functionality. The point is a better working site and trying to improve and react to complaints about the site. This work is being done .. because the BoD wanted it done.

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I would assume it would have it's own cyberspace, correct me if I'm wrong.

When the BoD decides .. we will let you know. What you see now is simply asking if you like the layout.. and should we continue the efforts.

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USAAC's independence should be discussed which our host TOW should be complimented as well for there work.
The overhead to go on it's own is not that costly afterall there are Squads that have there own setups.

Here is that word "independence again .. I'm now thinking its a planned agenda ::Shrugs::: .. and what the heck to 'squads' have to do with this all? Is their one squad that is "independent" of the people who control their website? I think not .. and certainly no differently that the USAAC and in some case the squad members have NO SAY SO AT ALL

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.... Remember kids this site does not belong to any one person ,nor does it belong to the BOD. It is the US clubsite and should listen to all involved in it...

This site belongs to the BoD. The BoD belongs to the member squads, the Director of the USAAC belongs to the member people who are NOT squad members. The BoD and Director "owns this site"

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Commets by Tbar the person and member of the BoD:

It seems to me that some people simply see 'the forums' as the site, and it is the forums that are the issue because the BoD and USAAC use the ToW Forums. You can simply have your own forums and you would never see anything of ToW.. at all. You and your members would never know who the host is .. would never every see anything of TowNet. That simple.

Has the Bod ever asked for their own forums? Fact: NO.

FACT:

At the onset.. the BoD wanted to use the resources of TowNet because it would bring in more pilots and expose another audience to the game of AA. It was an 'advantage' for the USAAC, it was an advantage for AA in general. For the last year or more the USAAC site has had front page billing on the TowNet system .. and deeper into the Townet system are other advertisements for the USAAC and the AA community as a whole. Hosting via TowNet and using their resources was advantageous to the USAAC.. at that time. Could be even now if the people involved understood all that was involved.

FACT

The BoD is only now maturing and really understanding how things work (hosting and so forth). Give them the time they need .. and all will be well.

FACT:

Browsers and how they work .. and how the individual sets them up neither TowNet, the USAAC or Tbar can control. So if the site does not work correctly from some people "Tbar" has taken the time to help someone with their settings and resolve their problems, USAAC BoD has not done that. Tbar can't teach everyone how to use their own tools. There is a FAQ that explains somethings .. however I can't make people read it .. and why they would not check that first is beyond me. To call this site user unfriendly .. is the Fault of the BOD and USAAC.. not Tbar, nor the Townet folks.. YOU have control of how your website works.. no one else.

FACT

TowNet , Tow Club nor anything connected needs the USAAC in any way shape or form. The USAAC is of no positive value or adds anything to the system .. nadda.

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Hey.. can I rant here? Does it follow the forum protocol .. or should this post be moved to the funny section?

I feel that a few trouble makers and a few people with real hidden agenda's have done very well to destroy the USAAC and are well on their way to grabbing full control of the USAAC. Stacking the Deck is something I warned the BoD about many times including every single "manager" that I was responsible for placing in a position .. or was asked to work with that individual to help them get established and know their way round the site as well as educate them with the "do's and don'ts "

Stacking the Deck is something that the BoD should keep a careful eye on ... For those that may not know what is meant by "Stacking the Deck", it is a process whereby too many members of any one squad are in too many positions of authority within the USAAC.

Is TowNet the real issue .. or is the real issue Tbar .. concerning this hosting issue?

TowNet has never done this USSAC wrong in any way.. they have been the best of hosts .. done more for the USAAC than the USAAC has done for itself! Yes the USAAC members have slandered that organization very nicely.

Tbar on the other hand is seen as a power hungry .. control freak. That is a quote from our FM and a forum content subject, he had the guts to say so on these forums.. so it is his real feelings I think. A Quote from the FM, and it was I who suggested he be the forums manager! And I might add voted for him with extreme confidence. I did ask the FM how he could say that .. and his response was "just to get your attention" .. umm .. tks bro. I had the topic at hand in a private area, but others decided to make comment in a public area. I've also been called a liar, cheat, and other evil suggestions. So I've asked this in another part of the forums and ask you again.. where has Tbar ever done any one of you wrong .. or the USAAC? Do you have a personal experience you would like to share with all of us? I say we kick the evil bastard Tbar out of USAAC as quickly as possible. If there is discomfort with Tbar .. then by all means host at another place. We should also 'comfy' up the place and get rid of him... once and for all! Damn evil people .. Tbar is our whole hosting problem and why we don't have 'independence' ..its obvious to all.

Opinionated .. you bet, that I (Tbar) am, and proud of it I have a voice, and not intimidated or afraid to use it. Do I always go with the majority vote .. and support it, you bet I do. History shows I have .. without complaint. Do you have otherwise to say that I have not .. share it then. When the BoD votes on where the site should be hosted .. I'll vote anywhere BUT Townet!!

So again I ask.. what is the issue .. Tbar.. or TowNet? This is a hosting topic and well.. just a discussion right?

Why this need and insistence on having "independence" when you as the BoD have that already? The real issue is independence from what ? Tbar? .. yes? I think so. .. kick that evil villain out and be done with it! Now you don't have an issue do you

FACT

TowNet provides so much to the USAAC and NEVER really asked anything in return except for the Organization to follow the basic CoC and ToS that ISP provider would have. Yet the 'voices' in your ear tell you otherwise .. show me the beef I say!! All those voices can show you is Tbar .. [ insert evil wicked picture here please ... we all like pictures. Speaking of pictures.. I think I'll have all future conversations with cave men using flash cards .. maybe the picture will help]

Now if TowNet decides that 'everything' connected with AA and the USAAC is to be removed from their system .. will the USAAC also host those squads and systems? Will the USAAC hosts support their needs? Will the USAAC pay for their expenses .. after all its does not cost that much. Now if the USAAC host one of the squad .. and said squad leader or member become the Web Master .. will you move the site so you have 'independence" I think the USAAC should hire mayflower moving company on a retainer .. they will do a lot of moving .. they have that right ya know

Thinking.. ya know I bet the UKAAC hosts squads .. and I'll bet that any squad connected with the 'host' of the UKAA site .. also needs 'independence' .. interesting. I should point this out to the GEAAC also.

Oh.. BTW.. Tow Club decides everything .. and there are and have been members of ToW for years and years .. they are in your midsts .. as members of the BBC as well as FD .. umm interesting .. So you need independence hey? Why not ask them how 'evil' the TowNet guys are. Oh ya.. and members of the old "Bad Squadron" also .. yet there is ONLY two member of the BSS that is a member of ToW Club.

You did say I could rant a bit didn't you?

Hey.. maybe if Townet simply had a Signup and billing program in your face .. you would feel more in control. Give ya a control panel and say .. OK.. now your on your own .. and send me the 20.00 bucks a month .. oh and BTW if you exceed your bandwidth .. there is extra charge..

Know what this site said yesterday http://www.rockthespot.co.uk/esr/site/news.php

It said.. sorry.. account suspended for exceeding bandwidth.

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Ok.. my rant and having fun is over .. but I hope it did give you a little food for thought where you can address the 'hosting' issue seriously and properly .. yes I had a little fun at your expense .. but I deserved it I feel

Tbar

Where do we start?

1st of ll I dont have 2 hrs to respond to everything in your 2 posts.

But I will give you some food for thought. After I'm done you wil most likley think

I'm your number one enemy.

But I am going to give you my straight up point of view.

1st

I feel the USAAC does not need to be tied in with TOW.

As others have agreed with me.

A long time ago I pointed out that when you click on the USAAC banner,

it takes you to tides of war,not the USAAC main page .

This never got corrected, WHY?

When I log in I dont get transfered back to the USAAC but am still in the tow site.

In all appearence it is setup to keep the TOW site in your mind.

It also gives the apearance tha you are promoting the TOW through the USAAC site.

In saying we want independance, We mean removed from the TOW all together.

INDEPENDANT FROM TOW.

You say calmly you dont care were the USAAC is hosted but you make a 10 paragraph

post on all the negatives about moving it.....

Also the BBC member you refer to that uses the tow site is not a current BBC member

he is a former member from way back and does not fly with BBC nor is he a member of the BBC, get you facts straight....

Alot of babble going over the same thing in different words.

You say the TOW doesnt need the USAAC in any way shape or form.

You say if voted on you would vote moving the site anywere but on the tow server.

Then why all the objection about moving it?

You say you do nothing wrong and cant understand why you get attacked.

funny I dont have anyone attacking me.

Perhaps there is a reason your getting attacked.

I have to wonder why all the strong objection about moving the site?

Is it because you may loose the control you have as far as access is concerned?

You have complained about 2 threads being closed the other day.

At least there was an explanation given, and at request was opened again.

Now when I complained about 2 threads being closed there was no explination.

Just closed. when I asked why they were closed I did not get a straight answer.

Only that the forum manager did not close them.

Later you said they may have been closed by accident,But you never said you closed them. Tbar you and I both know you closed them because you felt they where uslees information, as you stressed in your post about usless information.

Also It was said by a BOD member that you removed a post by him, without reason,

He then quit the BOD over this issue,

I do not feel this happened over nothing, or that he just imagined posting it.

Now you may have an explination for these things but none of them sit well with me.

Then when we started talking about the forums and how they are arranged,We gave some suggestions, all of witch you ignored and did it your way.

and the result was not liked by the community,so you changed it again ,how you felt it should be, again not consulting anyone.

So it makes the apearance that you control the website.

Also I feel that you are trying to run the site like a corparation,

so many rules and restictions.

Example, lets make a TS manager, And just who are you going to get to stay on the TS for hours to manage it? hmmm lets see,, oh hey Popgun is allways on TS lets make him TS manager!! No thanks. not nedded.

Tbar you need to lighten up!!

You have been accused by more than one or two pilots of being power hungry.

in the 2 post you have made here it would seem that may be true.

So by moving the USAAC and buliding a new website you will no longer have the power to change and rearrange things the way you like them.Is this what you real problem is?

Look at it this way, If you dont have control nobody can accuse you of changing

anything and call you power hungry,

I am only saying what some others havn't got the b__s to say.

When this site got started you put alot into it, I do credit you for getting it off the ground.

However as far as I know you did it with the knowledge that it was not your site

to keep and run.

So perhaps it is time you let go sit back and go for the ride.

Who knows I may be voted off the BOD after this post and you wont have to worry about my objections or input.

Dude I didnt see this yesterday night !

Tbar this kind of post is the posts we have spoken of together that wont do you well.

You have one intention of giving info and pointing out things for all to gobble up and be informed but the feeling is of anger and mixed message and a huge condescending tone. Your post then takes on the image of being aggressive, vindictive and aligned with those who come to start trouble only written better.

You start of by informing the BoD they have failed. There are so many nuances to "failure" that initially reading the statement indicates a direct negative opening aimed at the BoD. Failure can also only come when one stops trying or the game is over. Neither is the case here with BoD. So already everything you write after that is going to be taken with animosity.

reading this makes me feel like you are walking yourself up to the hangmans noose, putting the noose around your neck and then talking hard at the crowd that gets off on hangings, before a seriuis discussion between the BoD has taken place. Why are you holding a hearing with yourself?

Dude,....I dont know what to say...

Good. It is about time. I get tired of signing on to USACC only to be directed to the TOW site!

That is freaking aggravating!

Oh well, good to see this may be changing in the future.

Well Pop ... I have explained everything.. over and over. And all the post here were food for thought and the growth of the USAAC.

You just called me a liar .. do you realize that?

If and when any of you talk to me on TS .. you have a whole different outlook.

Now I don't have one thing against you POP.. and never had.. in fact I consider you a friend.

If you don't have two hours .. than don't. I do .. and have spent a lot of time explaining everything and giving advise etc.

The BoD decides everything.. and always has.

Name one thing the BoD has asked for by directive ... that was not done (if directed at me)?

You can't .. it does not exist.

So.. lets take it one step at a time and address each point you make. Please.. this is friendly.. and my tone of voice is nice and I'm not upset.. and I'm not yelling. I do NOt think you my enemy and most likly will be flying with you soon and just having a ball... as always.

When I disagree with someone .. I don't hate them or despise them .. its simply not agreeing. I don't cut off my relationship with them or base a friendship on what we agree on or not.

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1st
I feel the USAAC does not need to be tied in with TOW.

As others have agreed with me.

I never said it did.. not once. And AGAIN from the first days of the USAAC and BoD discussion that was clearly layed out .. the site can be moved to anyplace the BoD wants to.

(Its really academic now anyway because the TowNet folks have decided the USAAC needs to go .. to much slander, and they have a reputation to uphold that is far more valuable then trying to give an organization a helping hand. Its not been voted on .. but I no longer have a say so in the matter.)

A long time ago I pointed out that when you click on the USAAC banner,
it takes you to tides of war,not the USAAC main page .

This never got corrected, WHY?

And who are you? Are you the BoD? The BoD never made any request of anyone.. and in particular me or TowNet to make any changes. Neither I or TowNet takes direction for anyone .. except the BoD. Also .. the site design is that you come into the front page in which case there is ALWAYS a link for the forums .. directly for the USAAC forums .. and no need to click any 'banner'. Fact is .. *I* didn't even notice you could click on the banner and where it takes you .. never did that. If you say you asked me about that at one time .. I don't recall but I'm not saying you didn't. And at any time you may have asked me.. the 'task' list of things that needed to be done was so huge .. that you are talking about a minor thing in comparision. Changing that link would require a couple of hours to hard code into the skin .. but would have been done if the BoD asked for it. That simple. No big deal.

When I log in I dont get transfered back to the USAAC but am still in the tow site.
In all appearence it is setup to keep the TOW site in your mind.

It also gives the apearance tha you are promoting the TOW through the USAAC site.

In saying we want independance, We mean removed from the TOW all together.

INDEPENDANT FROM TOW.

I can't teach everyone how to use their browser and make the setting so you don't get logged off. Check the FAQ. If you do get logged off.. you will see ToW because the BoD is using the ToW Forums .. that simple. What is the big deal?

Did the BoD every address this or make any request of TowNet. NO. At any time you could have had totally independent forums. Did the BoD every ask for this? No. And lets remember ..for a very long time there was no one to do all this work. In fact the 'topic' came up at several BoD meeting and each time the BoD decided to leave things as they are "for now".

You say calmly you dont care were the USAAC is hosted but you make a 10 paragraph post on all the negatives about moving it.....

I don't. It makes no difference. What is important is the site exists.. not who hosts it. However there are important points to be made about 'who' hosts it and what 'independence' means.

Also have no fear .. I will vote to move the site. (mute point anyway)

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lso the BBC member you refer to that uses the tow site is not a current BBC member
he is a former member from way back and does not fly with BBC nor is he a member of the BBC, get you facts straight....

His name is Bloodhunter, you can contact him via PM this board if you like. He is the one that told me he is a member of the BBC and therefor never flew with the BSS or considered same because he considered it a 'conflict of interest'. He's very loyal to the BBC. I'll let him know he's not considered a member and maybe he might want to come and talk to the BBC boys.

Alot of babble going over the same thing in different words.
You say the TOW doesnt need the USAAC in any way shape or form.

You say if voted on you would vote moving the site anywere but on the tow server.

Then why all the objection about moving it?

There is no objection from me to moving it. You are reading that in. The decision will be made by the BoD .. and what ever the BoD decides .. I support. What I have done is point out a lot of things to think about when you move the site. What I have pointed out is that your current host does a fine job for the USAAC. You have nearly 100% uptime and no connection problems .. no bandwidth to worry about .. no funding to worry about etc. If .. your objection is something to do with the Forum .. then address the topic of the forums .. not the site. There is nothing on the USAAC 'site' that promotes ToW .. nothing. You share the forums .. with a community. If you were using a 'free' forum service .. that service would connect you with other features of that 'other site'. Again.. if the BOD wanted totaly seperate forums .. they never asked for same.

TowNet .. your host .. have however promoted the USAAC and AA "big time". Ever look at the front page of Tow?

http://www.tidesofwar.net/ Now tell me .. what has the USAAC ever done for ToW? Tow never even asked the USAAC to do anything for them. They did make a couple 'requests' at the beginning and the BoD approved.

You say you do nothing wrong and cant understand why you get attacked.
funny I dont have anyone attacking me.

Perhaps there is a reason your getting attacked.

I hope Pop.. you can say that a year from now. People who do a lot .. make more mistakes and errors than those that do nothing. The more involved you get to try and help and contribute .. the more open you are to .. the attacks. Warranted or not.

I have to wonder why all the strong objection about moving the site?
Is it because you may loose the control you have as far as access is concerned?

I don't have control to start with. There are others that have as much access as I do to the site. There are others with FTP to the entire site. There are others that could have fixed or corrected parts of the site if they wanted to .. but they didn't. Yet you and other tend to charge "me" with everything wrong with anything What is there to "control" anyway? have you been controlled? Maybe guided and given advise .. but surely not controlled. Would you allow yourself to be controlled? I think not. No member of the BoD would allow that.

You have complained about 2 threads being closed the other day.
At least there was an explanation given, and at request was opened again.

Now when I complained about 2 threads being closed there was no explination.

Just closed. when I asked why they were closed I did not get a straight answer.

Only that the forum manager did not close them.

Later you said they may have been closed by accident,But you never said you closed them. Tbar you and I both know you closed them because you felt they where uslees information, as you stressed in your post about usless information.

Satire Popgun.. satire... and respectful satire at that.

And once again.. I did not.. and have not closed any posts. Put that to rest. Go review that topic again, your in error.... and I've also showed the current FM and the moderators how they can be closed by total accident and no one would even know until you went to read them. Again ..if a person request they be open again.. it would probably happen. In the case you mention they were opened again because no one knew how or who closed them.

Now if you just want to insist that I'm a liar .. that is your prerogative. But I ask you in all the time you have known me .. have I ever lied to you?

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Part II

Also It was said by a BOD member that you removed a post by him, without reason,
He then quit the BOD over this issue,

I do not feel this happened over nothing, or that he just imagined posting it.

Now you may have an explination for these things but none of them sit well with me.

I have never removed a post by any BoD member. Never. Logs can prove that. the person is in error and never made the post .. or never completed the post where it could be registered .. or some internet burp caused the post info not to be posted. I looked for that so called topic for two days .. scanning every log possible... every possible moderator log, etc. I did so because i thought there might be a bug in the board, but.. there is not. No such post existed on this board. The post title was told to me as "Sailed" .. never existed on this board.

Pop.. you are now into hearsay. If you don't know first hand .. don't.

Then when we started talking about the forums and how they are arranged,We gave some suggestions, all of witch you ignored and did it your way.
and the result was not liked by the community,so you changed it again ,how you felt it should be, again not consulting anyone.

Not True. It was done just as the BoD asked from previous meeting. In fact.. it was done exactly as it is now. Only the names of the forums are different. Only the sort order is different. In addition when you guys didn't like it .. it was changed back. That simple.

So it makes the apearance that you control the website.
Also I feel that you are trying to run the site like a corparation,

so many rules and restictions.

Pay more attention then.. and you won't draw the wrong conclusions. ALL rules and regulations are made by the BoD .. NOT Tbar. Maybe "appearance' is because Tbar does point out where we break our own rules, etc. Maybe the BoD should vote to remove all rules? Corportation? Where you get that from .. the BoD decides on all titles, positions, terms, etc .. not Tbar.

Its kinda typical to point at Tbar.. eh? Why not point at the folks who make the rules etc .. the BoD! Don't like the term BoD .. then change it .. don't point at Tbar for using a term the BoD decides on

Example, lets make a TS manager, And just who are you going to get to stay on the TS for hours to manage it? hmmm lets see,, oh hey Popgun is allways on TS lets make him TS manager!! No thanks. not nedded.

Popgun .. please.

You need to understand and go back and read the posts. We need a TS manager that understands the back end and scripts to support TS. This is on the server side and NOT the simple 'admin' area of TS. Our TS is set up with "plenty" of people who can 'admin' that tool.. plenty and responsible people. No one needs to stay on TS 24 hours .. that is silly. And .. BTW Townet supports your back end TS.

Tbar you need to lighten up!!
You have been accused by more than one or two pilots of being power hungry.

in the 2 post you have made here it would seem that may be true.

Use your own eyes Power hungry people don't give up power willingly. Control freaks don't give up control.. willingly. Power hungry and control freak don't lay out in advance a plan for everyone involved to take a part of the system. Read the objectives and statements Tbar made at the very start of the BoD/USAAC .. its history, documented .. and speaks for itself and has come to pass.

So by moving the USAAC and buliding a new website you will no longer have the power to change and rearrange things the way you like them.Is this what you real problem is?
Look at it this way, If you dont have control nobody can accuse you of changing

anything and call you power hungry,

Your funny, I've never had that power .. the BoD directs everything.

I am only saying what some others havn't got the b__s to say.

You are stating what you feel is true or you would not be posting in the tone and manner that you have. But, if you think about all the time you have spent with Tbar.. you have never heard anything from me but wanting to see the USAAC a great organization and doing everything I can to improve and do more. I've spent a lot of hours teaching folks how to use the site and what is necessary to do the jobs I've had to train or work with them on .. power hungry control freaks don't do that.

Anyone that does not have the "balls" to say anything .. probably does not have anything to say.. if they did .. they have a keyboard.

Maybe the problem is .. that folks in AA want to blame others .. rather than look at anything they may be at fault for. People blame Nemo, Tulla, Temper or anyone they can .. rather than blame them self. The BoD is in control and has always been. If there is a problem.. its the BoD failed to act .. or react to what members wanted We have advertised for people to 'step up' and take a place and role within the USAAC for ages .. qualified persons. Its been slow and uphill .. but we are now at that point. I "personally" have control of nothing .. I'm no more than a BoD member.. just like you Popgun.

When this site got started you put alot into it, I do credit you for getting it off the ground.
However as far as I know you did it with the knowledge that it was not your site

to keep and run.

That is correct. 100% correct. I've always respected the decision of the BoD and followed their directive. I may have argued like hell before a decision was made.. but once made .. I'm a team player.

So perhaps it is time you let go sit back and go for the ride.

Exactly what I intend to do as stated on this board in other posts, except at BoD meetings, there I'll fight like hell as always Like I said.. I hold no position within the USAAC other than a BoD member .. and that depends on Joker and the BSS.

Who knows I may be voted off the BOD after this post and you wont have to worry about my objections or input.

You know better, the BoD has never behaved like that .. and they certainly don't kick people out for expressing opinions. And besides, the only folks that can vote you off as a BBC voice .. is the BBC ... not the BoD

Dude I didnt see this yesterday night !
Tbar this kind of post is the posts we have spoken of together that wont do you well.

You have one intention of giving info and pointing out things for all to gobble up and be informed but the feeling is of anger and mixed message and a huge condescending tone. Your post then takes on the image of being aggressive, vindictive and aligned with those who come to start trouble only written better.

You start of by informing the BoD they have failed. There are so many nuances to "failure" that initially reading the statement indicates a direct negative opening aimed at the BoD. Failure can also only come when one stops trying or the game is over. Neither is the case here with BoD. So already everything you write after that is going to be taken with animosity.

reading this makes me feel like you are walking yourself up to the hangmans noose, putting the noose around your neck and then talking hard at the crowd that gets off on hangings, before a seriuis discussion between the BoD has taken place. Why are you holding a hearing with yourself?

Dude,....I dont know what to say...

Well .. what should one do? Not answer at all? If your attacked .. do you defend? This was not a post from a cave man or trouble maker .. but a responsible BoD members.

Absolutely no anger at all .. none. Why should I be? When you talk to me in TS I say the same things .. but you never hear any anger or hate or spiteful things... most of the time people agree with me!

Hehe.. I'm walking into a lynching .. not hanging my self .. but being lynched without trial or jury I love the USAAC and the BoD and all that goes with it .. i'm very proud of what it is today .. very proud. You do realize .. that I am a member of the BoD also .. so when I blame the BOD for failure .. I am blaming myself as well. The reason I thought was clear for blaming the BoD because the BoD is the people who make all the decision .. yet this audience constantly projects that it is me, Tbar, that calls the shots If we really think back at every meeting .. it was not Tbar .. in fact many times Tbar had hardly anything to say

I make post .. I make opinion .. and I'm not afraid to voice same. I am very .. in your face .. and high profile person. My in your face is always friendly.. but granted some might not see it that way. On TS you can 'hear' it .. and its nice. Remember when we had a Directory we could never find or contact? I don't hide. Some people do .. they can't take the pressure .. or don't want to draw attention to them self. Remember.. I flew this game for 5 years and nobody .. nobody even knew who I was. Nobody new Tbar until I started the BSS and the USAAC.

Your reply tp my response is TOTALLY Incorrect in its ENTIRETY

And heres why,

Well .. what should one do? Not answer at all? If your attacked .. do you defend? This was not a post from a cave man or trouble maker .. but a responsible BoD members.

My post was made BEFORE your RESPONSE to such said responsible member of BoD.

And My reply in this thread was about your FIRST 2 POSTS HERE.

You are holding your own trial here by starting and posting these points as you have posted must of these same points in other threads. No one solicited you to open this topic. You felt it necesasry for some reason to do so. And it is in no way just an "informational service" that you are providing.

TS: yes you do sound charming on TS. However In those TS conversations you have agreed that your "writing style" is " TOO strong " and that " others have told you the same as well" and we both understood this as the vehicle of the negative attention that you seem to draw. You put forth the statement that you weren't going to post any longer and I suggested you do post but yet try to soften it up. Yet here you are again in this thread and other thread dishing out policy as you see it and suggesting this is the BoD BoD BoD. I havent heard the official voice from BoD here on anything! Only Tbar saying what BoD should do.

If you agree that there is a problem with your posts, others have spoken the same to you,,, then why the hell are we here again stressing over the same TONE that you take?

Maybe staying off Forums is indeed a good Idea for you at this point, Since TS is your bag maybe you should conduct all your stuff on TS instead.

You are acting like 2 totally seperate personalities. I dont dislike you Tbar but you are eliciting these responses through your behavior.

You are holding your own trial here by starting and posting these points as you have posted must of these same points in other threads. No one solicited you to open this topic. You felt it necesasry for some reason to do so. And it is in no way just an "informational service" that you are providing.
TS: yes you do sound charming on TS. However In those TS conversations you have agreed that your "writing style" is " TOO strong " and that " others have told you the same as well" and we both understood this as the vehicle of the negative attention that you seem to draw. You put forth the statement that you weren't going to post any longer and I suggested you do post but yet try to soften it up. Yet here you are again in this thread and other thread dishing out policy as you see it and suggesting this is the BoD BoD BoD. I havent heard the official voice from BoD here on anything! Only Tbar saying what BoD should do.

If you agree that there is a problem with your posts, others have spoken the same to you,,, then why the hell are we here again stressing over the same TONE that you take?

Maybe staying off Forums is indeed a good Idea for you at this point, Since TS is your bag maybe you should conduct all your stuff on TS instead.

You are acting like 2 totally seperate personalities. I dont dislike you Tbar but you are eliciting these responses through your behavior.

Ok TBar

Since I have not responded to all this and now I know by reading it is time I take you down memory lane.

Let's go back, say about 5 years ago to the Badlands, and it seems like deyjavu all over again, what do I mean by this, this is identical to what happened when BAD voted to release you from the Squad.

What Inferno is saying is exactly what I tried to explain to you that turned a majority of those members off, to talk to you is one thing, when you type in forums is another.

Take the advise that is givin to you on Inferno's post and let there be peace.

You had already shown that your bitter at me and believe I am the catalyst or one that is stirring the pot, you are sadly mistaken, it is all your doing and what is sad is that you can't see it.