The following information describes the DKP system for use by Dark Venom in raids. It is based on EPGP, and will be used as described below.
Quick reference guide for masterlooters for the information they need in raids.
Basics
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The basic system is called EPGP DKP. It works like this:
(i) For every raid you attend, you gain EP (experience points)
(ii) For every item you take, you gain GP (gear points)
(iii) There is a value BP (base points, or base gear points) discussed later
(iv) Of the people who want an item, the person with highest PR (priority) wins it, where priority is calculated as PR = EP/(GP+BP)
(v) Both values EP and GP will decay by a defined % each week
(vi) All values for EP/GP are stored in officers notes for each player, and EPGP system config values are held in the guild information.
Overall this means that over time, the amount of gear you get will be in proportion to the effort expended, so people who come less often still do get kit, but only in proportion to their effort. The game stores all needed values for EP/GP in the officers notes (which are now visible to all) and guild info in-game; this means that there are no synchronisation issues as per other systems requiring out-of-game back ends.
The above is just the basics, there are several subtleties, for more detail and examples please see here and/or here.
Proposed Core EPGP Configuration:
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BP (Base Points)
We will use a Base Points value of: BP = 150
EP (Experience Points)
Experience Points will be earned as follows:
- Naxx25: EP earned at 100 pts/hr
- Uld10 : EP earned at 600 pts/hr
- Additional bonuses may be added in future, e.g. for being at instance on-time for start etc, tbd.
GP (Gear Points)
The Gear Point value of an item is determined autmatically by EPGP. The actual charge made to the winner of the item will depend on the instance, and whether the person has won it as need(main), green(main+) or offspec, see below.
Decay
Everyone's EP and GP scores will decay by 10% on Wed morning (at server reset) or earliest opportunity thereafter.
Initial Values
Everyone in guild at Wed 22nd April 2009 starts with 0 EP and GP.
New joiners would start with 350 GP (i.e. 500 total for GP+BP) which means they have to attend a couple of runs to start earning items properly. Re-joiners (if someone leaves and rejoins) will be the same.
[this will be mitigated to 100 GP for the first month]
Mains/Alts
Only mains will have an EP/GP value. Alts are only brought by request of the raid, but in this case will earn EP for the main, and add to GP of the main if any items are taken (i.e. common pool) but note restrictions below on alts rolling.
Reserves/Backup
Those people on backup for a raid will receive one hours-worth of EP (normally equivalent to one-third of the expected raid EP).
Loot Method:
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The above just describes the EPGP mechanisms and configuration. This section describes how the looting will work in a raid. It is fairly similar to our curent method, except that EPGP is used in some cases to determine the winner of an item, as follows:
For each item that drops, there can be four options, as currently
[1] Need (main)
[2] Greed (minor upgrade/main+)
[3] Offspec
[4] Pass
Within each step, all usual rules regarding main spec and clothing type will still apply (e.g. healers get prio for heal kit, clothies for cloth kit, etc). However the following apply to each step as to who may roll, and who wins:
[1] Need (main)
Masterlooter asks "Need(main) for <item>, please say need". People who want, say 'need'. The winner is the person with higher PR value, as shown by EPGP, subject to below.
- Need may only be for main spec
- There is no restriction per run to number of 'needed' items, as EPGP will balance loot distribution against effort put in.
- PuG members of the group, or Alts, may not Need
- The winner is charged GP as follows:
--- Uld10 : GP = standard GP for item as defined by EPGP
--- Naxx25 : No GP charge, continuing use of "1 need L213, 1 need tier" rule
[2] Greed/MinorUpgrade (main+)
Masterlooter asks "Greed(main+) for <item>, please /roll".
People who want /roll.
The winner is the person with highest roll.
The winner is charged GP as below.
- Greed may only be for 'main+' spec; this means that the following people will roll here:
---- any main for whom the item is a minor upgrade
--- any alt rolling need (for main spec)
--- any pug member rolling need (for main spec)
---- any tank main rolling for dps items to use for those fights where not all tanks are tanking
---- any non-tank main rolling for tank items to assist with regular OT-ing in fights needing extra tanks
These extra conditions are because we regularly have to take e.g. 4 tanks to Naxx, but have many boss-fights where only 1-2 are needed, so is a compromise within the same spec to enable better raid performance while still allowing others priority to Need over this roll.
- The winner is charged GP as follows:
--- Uld10 : GP = 50% of standard GP for item as defined by EPGP
--- Naxx25 : No GP charge
[3] Offspec
Masterlooter asks "Offspec for <item>, please /roll".
People who want /roll.
The winner is the person with highest roll.
Any person receiving an item for offspec is expected to donate an abyss crystal to the guild bank as 'payment'.
Notes:
- Anyone may roll
- no GP charge
[4] Pass
If all pass, then the item is d/e, and shard(s) to guild bank for enchants.
Addons
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The basic EPGP addon must be loaded by all masterlooters, as it is used to give the automatic EP/hr every 15mins. Any raid member may also optionally have it loaded, to enable them to see the EP/GP and PR values of the guild/raid, but it is not necessary.
We may in the future use an addon to automate the above to make looting simpler and quicker (this would require all in raid to have a special addon loaded), but this is not required at this time.
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Start of Raid
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[1] Make sure you have EPGP installed and active
[2] Make a note of the people who are on backup and online, who don't get to run, who should receive reserve/backup EP.
[3] At raid start, set the automatic assignment of EP running as follows:
- type /epgp
- click the "mass EP award" button at bottom left
- in the window that comes up
(a) for 'EP Reason' select the right dungeon (Ulduar or Naxx(heroic) etc)
(8-) enter the required recurring value to award per 15mins as follows:
Uld10 = 150
Naxx25 = 25
? tick the 'recurring' checkbox (this starts the regular assignment)
End of Raid
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[1] Stop the automatic EP assignment, as follows:
- type /epgp
- click the "mass EP award" button at bottom left
- in the window that comes up untick the 'recurring' checkbox (this stops the regular assignment)
[2] For all reserve/backups not used in the raid who were online at raid start, assign one hours-worth of EP to each (Uld10=600,Naxx25=400).
Loot Method
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For Naxx25 we will continue to use the "1 Need L213, 1 Need Tier" rule. For Uld10+Uld25 we will use the EPGP Loot method as defined below:
EPGP Loot Method
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For each item:
[1] "Need(main) for <item>, please say need".
- People who want, say 'need'.
- The winner is the person with higher PR value, as shown by EPGP
- Assign item to winner; EPGP will popup a box asking how much GP to charge, with a default value
--- For Uld10 : use the default value, click ok
[2] "Greed(main+) for <item>, please /roll".
- People who want /roll.
- The winner is the person with highest roll.
- Assign item to winner; EPGP will popup a box asking how much GP to charge, with a default value
--- For Uld10 : charge 50% of the default value (change it manually and click ok)
[3] "Offspec for <item>, please roll".
- People who want /roll.
- The winner is the person with highest roll.
- Assign item to winner; EPGP will popup a box asking how much GP to charge, with a default value, cancel to incur no charge or enter zero.
- Remind winner to please put an abyss shard into the guild bank in return for the offspec item
[4] If all pass, then the item is given to enchanter to d/e, and shard(s) to guild bank for enchants.
Start of Raid
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[1] Make sure you have EPGP installed and active
[2] Make a note of the people who are on backup and online, who don't get to run, who should receive reserve/backup EP.
[3] At raid start, set the automatic assignment of EP running as follows:
- type /epgp
- click the "mass EP award" button at bottom left
- in the window that comes up
(a) for 'EP Reason' select the right dungeon (Ulduar or Naxx(heroic) etc)
(8-) enter the required recurring value to award per 15mins as follows:
Uld10 = 150
Naxx25 = 25
? tick the 'recurring' checkbox (this starts the regular assignment)
End of Raid
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[1] Stop the automatic EP assignment, as follows:
- type /epgp
- click the "mass EP award" button at bottom left
- in the window that comes up untick the 'recurring' checkbox (this stops the regular assignment)
[2] For all reserve/backups not used in the raid who were online at raid start, assign one hours-worth of EP to each (Uld10=600,Naxx25=400).
Loot Method
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For Naxx25 we will continue to use the "1 Need L213, 1 Need Tier" rule. For Uld10+Uld25 we will use the EPGP Loot method as defined below:
EPGP Loot Method
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For each item:
[1] "Need(main) for <item>, please say need".
- People who want, say 'need'.
- The winner is the person with higher PR value, as shown by EPGP
- Assign item to winner; EPGP will popup a box asking how much GP to charge, with a default value
--- For Uld10 : use the default value, click ok
[2] "Greed(main+) for <item>, please /roll".
- People who want /roll.
- The winner is the person with highest roll.
- Assign item to winner; EPGP will popup a box asking how much GP to charge, with a default value
--- For Uld10 : charge 50% of the default value (change it manually and click ok)
[3] "Offspec for <item>, please roll".
- People who want /roll.
- The winner is the person with highest roll.
- Assign item to winner; EPGP will popup a box asking how much GP to charge, with a default value, cancel to incur no charge or enter zero.
- Remind winner to please put an abyss shard into the guild bank in return for the offspec item
[4] If all pass, then the item is given to enchanter to d/e, and shard(s) to guild bank for enchants.
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